Monday, February 20, 2012

Sex, Sponsie, and Other Sunday Brunch Topics

Today's Sunday Brunch features dead monkeys and dead celebrities, all accompanied by the song "Chopsticks" being played on the piano.


I recently stumbled across a set of five volumes titled SAMMY TUBBS, THE BOY DOCTOR, AND SPONSIE, THE TROUBLESOME MONKEY. Written by "E.B. Foote, M.D.," the books were part of a series called "Science in Story."

It is one of the strangest series I've ever seen -- surprisingly progressive for its era, even while being old-fashioned and downright racist.

The stories concern an African-American boy, Sammy Tubbs, who comes north after being freed from slavery. Finding work as a "door-boy" at the home of a physician, he soon begins following the career path of his employer, learning about the various parts of the human body and how to prevent and fight illness. Each volume in the series is concerned with a different system of the body -- "brain and nerves," "digestive, nutritive, respiratory, and vegetative nervous," "arteries, lymphatics, veins, lacteal, capillaries, radicles, villi," and "bones, cartilidges, and muscles." This information is presented throughout the stories, which also feature a pair of amusing monkeys, whose hijinks lighten up the narratives. Or at least they do until the monkeys -- named Sponsie No. 1 and Sponsie No. 2 -- get ahold of a pair of guns and Sponsie No. 2 shoots and kills Sponsie No. 1 as well as Sammy's beloved dog. The book includes a drawing of the dead animals laid out on a table, as the tearful Sammy decides to "lay open the skull of Sponsie" and remove the cerebro-spinal system of the dog for an upcoming scientific lecture. That evening the young scientist, so emotionally overwhelmed that he must at times "bury his face in his handkerchief," presents a medical lecture using the brain and spine of his pets as props!

I told you these books were weird.

The covers of all the Sammy Tubbs books are identical, except for one:

Let's come in closer to read that subtitle:

This, the last volume in the series, is the one that really shocked me. I always thought of the nineteenth century as being quite Puritanical and never expected that a popular series would feature a volume "for private reading" about the "elimination and reproductive system"!

The book is rather coy in some regards. It tries to scare off some readers by stating that this volume "is dryer than any preceding volume," which of course is not true at all. However, the preface acknowledges that "this volume will, in many instances, be detached from the regular series of five consecutive volumes to which it belongs by those who mistakenly, as the publishers believe, adjudge it unsuited to children."

The information about the reproductive organs and their functions are frankly described in this volume. The book also includes these rather graphic illustrations:

But if you look closely at the top of these pages, you will note their odd pagination and a special warning to parents:

Yep, the publisher conspires with parents ("This leaf can be cut out if thought advisable") by labeling the pages 180 1/2 and 18 3/4. If a parent were to carefully remove this page from the volume, the kid would be none the wiser, since the pages before and after these are 180 and 181!

From today's perspective, these illustrations are the least shocking part of the book. Much more controversial is the incorrect info the book provides on several fronts. For example, the concept that a child may grow up to be a murderer if his mother visits a slaughterhouse while pregnant. And speaking of slaughter, Sponsie No. 2 bites the big one in this volume, getting his tail entangled in knife-grinder and becoming "completely disemboweled." Naturally, Sammy dissects the body.

Even if the series had not included this "book for private reading," it's still unusual for a novel from this era to feature an accomplished, intellectually curious African American protagonist. However, while Sammy Tubbs gives lectures on scientific topics and hopes to attend medical school, some of the other black characters speak in dialect and behave like knaves. For example, when Sponsie has his fatal accident, Sammy's friend Diggles cries, "Dat dere monkey am all torn to strings! He am dun gone forever! Oh mi! Oh mi!" We're later told that while he "still knows how to chew twine and crack his knuckles," Diggles never shared Sammy's interest in science. Why? "Among colored people, as well as among those of lighter complexion, under the present system of hap-hazard reprodution, some are born with and some without brains."

Still, Sammy himself remains a trailblazer in many areas. For example, one of his girlfriends is caucasian. Surely, this must be one of the first books for young people -- if not the first to feature an illustration depicting an interracial kiss:

By turns progressive, dated, frank, and often ridiculously wrong in its facts, the Sammy Tubbs stories are among the strangest children's books of their era...or any era.


The subject of the Sammy Tubbs "Book for Private Reading" reminded me of an old favorite of mine published over twenty years ago:

Does anyone else remember this novel?

I'm sure that many readers were drawn to the book by its attention-grabbing title. Some may have been disappointed when the narrative wasn't nearly as explicit as expected. On the other hand, the book was so well-written and intriguing that most probably didn't mind.

The story concerns classmates Livvie and David who, as part of a high school "sex ed" class are told to find someone and "care" about them. They choose a pregnant teenage girl married to a violent young man -- a choice that ends up having tragic consequences.

Jenny Davis burst onto the young-adult field with her 1987 novel GOODBYE AND KEEP COLD. The next year she published SEX EDUCATION, with CHECKING ON THE MOON following in 1990. At the time, all three books were highly praised and their author, a teacher, was seen as an important new voice in young adult fiction.

Unfortunately, CHECKING ON THE MOON was the last book she published. Her novels continued to be read for some years, but now they are all out of print. I keep hoping that, one of these days, she'll turn up with a great new book and that her three early novels -- still quite readable -- will return to print.

Does anyone remember Jenny Davis or know why she disappeared so suddenly and completley from the field of young adult fiction?


Blog friend Susan B. provided a link to the following video -- "How to Beautify Your Bookshelves" -- on her Facebook page and I was so horrified that I had to share it here:

As Susan commented, "Remove the dust jackets? Arrange by color? Put a container of water near hardcover books? NOOOOOO....."

Also the woman in the video shelves at least one of the books upside down!

It reminded me of the time I was watching TRADING SPACES and a designer looked at a room full of books and decided to take off all the dustjackets. If someone had done that to my book collection, I would probably end up in jail for causing them grievous bodily harm!

(P.S. If you'd like to be Facebook friends with me, feel free to "friend" me at Peter D. Sieruta.)


If you're interested in old and collectable books the way I am, you always try to keep an eye out for current books that are offbeat and intriguing; they are the books we'll be collecting tomorrow.

Is CHOPSTICKS one of those books?

I'm not sure. But it's definitely a "different" type of young-adult novel and may pave the way for an entirely new genre.

Created by writer Jessica Anthony and illustrator Rodrigo Corral, and available as both a book and app, this is a graphic novel for the computer age. A minimal text and abundant photographs, collages, video stills, and other well-designed art pieces tell the story of Glory Fleming, a piano prodigy trained by her ambitious father. Glory has performed at concert halls around the world and is known for interpolating classical music with pop songs. When Argentinian teenager Frank Mendoza moves in next door, their ensuing romantic relationship is depicted in posed photos, Instant Message texts, poetry, and samples of Frank's artwork. A European concert tour separates the teens and Glory suffers a breakdown, interrupting her performances to play the beginners' song "Chopsticks." Ultimately, she is admitted to the "Golden Hands Rest Facility, an instition for musical progedies." A rest home for musical progedies? Right there is your first clue that something about this entire narrative is off-base. (It may also be the only YA novel in which Lawrence Welk's ragtime piano gal, Jo Ann Castle, appears as a recurring motif.) CHOPSTICKS has been receiving a lot of attention due to the way it bridges the gap between a standard bound book and a computer app. Those who read this story in the latter format will probably have a very different experience -- clicking on links to view Youtube videos and hear music excerpts -- than those of us who simply turned the pages of the novel. Is one format better than the other? I don't know. But whatever format is chosen, readers will be disturbed and mystified by this tantalizingly inconclusive tale that demands to be be read (or played on the computer) again and again. Each subsequent reading will likely lead to different theories on what is real and what is unreal in the lives of Frank and Glory.


If you work in a public or school library, I'm curious if there has been much demand for books such as these this past week:

One wonders how soon she'll be immortalized in one of those quickie volumes for morbid kids like these:

One thing I've noticed about children's books is how the smaller presses fill a need for pop culture biographies. While these books don't generally hold up as "literature," and only stay in print for a couple years, they do achieve their purpose: serving as biographies that kids can use in writing book reports and papers for school. Although there is only one Tim Tebow book available for kids at the moment -- a "young reader's edition" of the athlete's autobiography THROUGH MY EYES -- I can pretty much guarantee that there will be three or four quickie children's biographies of Tebow on the shelves by the time the next football season rolls aroung. And I bet that, even as you read this, some publisher is contacting an author about writing a Jeremy Lin book STAT!


Last weekend I wrote about the new "50th Anniversary Commemorative Edition" of A WRINKLE IN TIME by Madeleine L'Engle. This week I laid my hands on a copy and I'd recommend that all fans of the novel do the same. It's full of all kinds of treats, including photographs from Ms. L'Engle's life and a chapter from the original manuscript as edited by the author.

Here are some of my favorite things in this new edition:

* Last week I mentioned the newly-designed dust jacket illustration. What I didn't know at the time was that, beneath the dustjacket, the original, well-remembered cover art by Ellen Raskin is printed directly on the front panel of the book.

* Katherine Paterson's introduction includes this fascinating tidbit:

Last March I went to see the documentary CHEKHOV FOR CHILDREN. And there on the screen was a sixth-grader named Rebecca Stead. For me it was sort of a wrinkle in time, for I was seeing the author at just about the time that Madeleine L'Engle made a magical visit to Rebecca's New York City public school. I'm guessing it was about then that young Rebecca fell in love with A WRINKLE IN TIME. Her own Newbery Award book, WHEN YOU REACH ME, is a stunning homage to the book she cherished as a child.

* In an Afterword written by Madeleine's granddaughter Charlotte Jones Voiklis, we learn that there was some concern that the word "tesseract" was not in the public domain, in which case the author considered substituting "sceortweg" for "tesseract" and "scegging" for "tessering." It's hard to imagine that, isn't it? Ms. L'Engle was known for signing books, "Tesser well!" "Scegg well!" just wouldn't be the same, would it?

* The Afterword also provides a tantalizing hint about the "unfinished first draft" of a novel called THE EYE BEGINS TO SEE in which the adult Meg "adjusts to her children's growing up and moving out." Think this book will ever be published? If WRINKLE IN TIME had remained a stand-alone volume, I think the author's literary executors might have said no -- why mess with a classic? BUT, since L'Engle herself continued to write about the Meg and the Murray/O'Keefe family in several more volumes of varying quality, I expect THE EYE BEGINS TO SEE will be considered fair game and that it will be published eventually. That's just my guess. Someday we'll SEE if I'm right.


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Sunday, February 19, 2012

Brunch delayed

Another one of those Sundays when Brunch will be served a little late. Please check back later tonight or early tomorrow. Sorry for the delay!

Monday, February 13, 2012

February 12 Sunday Brunch

I'm sorry this blog has been so erratic of late.

In the words of Roseanne Roseannadanna, "It's always something!"

Actually, I had to skip last weekend's brunch for a happy reason. I spent much of Saturday on a conference call with Cindy Dobrez and Angelina Benedetti, as we deliberated our selections for the Los Angeles Times Book Prize. There were about 120 young adult books on our initial list, which we narrowed down to around 20 for serious deliberations. If was very difficult to whittle those 20 down to a shortlist of five. Every cut hurt, and it got even worse as we eliminated the final few titles. But I am THRILLED with our five finalists. I want to shout the titles from the rooftops, but must wait ten days or so before the shortlist is made public. I hope you agree that our top five titles are among 2011's very best.

The following day was also quite busy. It was my father's birthday and he was reaching a milestone year. How old is he? Let's put it this way: I've never personally known anyone as old as he is now. For his birthday, we brought in a nice Chinese meal and a beautiful cake from a favorite bakery.

I gave him the following four presents:

1. some instant lottery tickets
2. a package of socks
3. three new sweatshirts
4. several adult coloring books

Now let's see how well those four gifts worked out!

1. he didn't win a cent on any the lottery tickets
2. on Wednesday morning he was walking in the hall when one of his new socks snagged on the metal transition strip covering the edge of the carpet, and he tripped and fell down -- breaking his arm!
3. the EMS people had to CUT OFF his brand new sweatshirt in order to get to his broken arm; that only-worn-once sweathshirt is currently in the rag bag
4. now he can't color his art books due to the broken arm

So much of the past few days have been spent going to and from the hospital. On Friday he was released from the hospital and sent directly to a rehabilitation facility to spend ten days getting physical therapy. Unfortunately, that night he had a medical issue and was rushed back to the hospital. I drove between the two places in a blinding blizzard, the car skidding and swerving at every stop. Thankfully the medical crisis was shortlived and he is now back at the rehab center.

But guess what? The rehab center is less than a mile from my favorite bookstore.

So there is a silver lining to this story!

Now...on to children's books.


Last year we were all amazed that two of 2011's most-talked about books for kids, OKAY FOR NOW and DEAD END IN NORVELT, had such similar dustjacket illustrations:

I haven't seen anything that similar among this year's dustjackets, but I did note some similarities between the covers of the following much talked-about new novels. Okay, they're not identical, and no one will get them confused...unless maybe you are looking at them across a room...and the lights are kind of dim...and you need a new prescription for eyeglasses:


Fellow children's book aficionado, fellow blogger, and fellow Michigander Travis Jonker has one of the best book blogs out there. I especially enjoy seeing his original designs for new, updated Newbery book dustjackets.

I didn't realize until today that many people have the same hobby.

Looking on Google for an image of the John Green cover to post above, I discovered nearly two dozen different versions of THE FAULT IN OUR STARS dustjacket! At first I thought they were from foreign editions of the book, but soon realized that were designed by young fans and artists. Most of them are quite good. In fact, I think many are better than the actual cover used by the publisher. I'd re-post them here, but would undoubtedly get cease-and-desist letters from some of these young instead I'll just direct you to Google. Do an image search, type in the title "The Fault in Our Stars" and scroll down. Amazing creativity.


ARCs, or "advance reader copies," are highly prized in the children's book world. These softcover volumes are essentially uncorrected proofs of forthcoming books, released to reviewers, bookstores, and other members of the industry several months before the hardcover volume hits the streets. In the past, ARCs were often tall narrow volumes with nondescript covers. Even in the eighties and ninties, they were fairly utilitarian, with rough colored-paper covers. These days, however, most ARCs resemble the final book, with the dustjacket illustration printed on the front of the glossy cover and selling points ("Eight city author tour!" "200,000 first printing!") listed on the back. At one point, I suspect only the cognoscenti knew about ARCs, but with the advent of the internet, book blogging, and ardent fanships, everyone has come to know about ARCs and everyone now wants them. I suspect there are some readers today who get most of their new books in this format and rarely buy a hardcover. My bookstore friend sometimes gives me ARCs but, even though I'm poor as the proverbial churchmouse, it's a point of personal pride that I try to also buy the hardcover editions of these books if I possibly can. I feel like I have to support the children's book world. From a collecting perspective, I have always tried to obtain ARCs of the Newbery books, since they sometimes (though not always) reveal changes in book's text between manuscript and hardcover publication.

Every ARC has the same warning on the cover: "NOT FOR SALE."

This has led to a continuing issue in the world of bookselling.

Because of the demand for ARCs -- whether from serious book collectors or simply fans who want to read an author's newest title STAT -- sellers often try to sell these volumes online. Every now and then this creates a tempest in a teapot, as someone complains that booksellers are taking advantage of publisher "freebies" in order to make a profit. From time to time, eBay and other online companies have tried to ban the selling of ARCs due to these complaints.

Just recently (thanks to a tip from fellow book collector Sarah H.), I heard about an ARC of this year's surprise Newbery Honor that was listed for sale online. I ordered the book and was thrilled to receive it this week. It arrived with this sticker on the cover:

I have never seen such a sticker on an ARC before. Have you? My guess is that it did not come this way from the publisher (would a publisher cover up the title like that? would a publisher cooperate in the re-selling of a free volume?) but that the sticker was created by a bookseller to avoid controversy.

Whatever the case, I'm not complaining. I'm just glad to add this ARC to my collection.

...Now if I could only find one for INSIDE OUT & BACK AGAIN!


Earlier this week, Dr. Janice Voss died of cancer at age 55. An astronaut, Dr. Voss was one of only six women who have traveled in space five times.

The conclusion of her New York Times obituary really struck me:

She was just 16 and a freshman at Purdue University when she first worked for NASA, as an intern at the Johnson Space Center. After receiving her bachelor’s degree in engineering science in 1975, she returned to the center to train crews in navigation and entry guidance. She went on to earn a master’s in electrical engineering, in 1977, and a doctorate in aeronautics and astronautics, in 1987, both at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

It all started, her mother said, when Janice was 6 and picked up a book at the local library, “A Wrinkle in Time” by Madeleine L’Engle — a fantasy in which one of the main characters is a scientist who happens to be a woman.

What a testament to the power of children's books!


Speaking of A WRINKLE IN TIME, have you seen the just-released fiftieth anniversary edition of this Madeleine L'Engle's novel?

The cover modernizes the original dustjacket art by Ellen Raskin (herself a future Newbery winner):

In the new illustration, the characters look a bit more "hip" and confident.

The 50th anniversary edition also features "an introduction by Katherine Paterson, an afterword by Madeleine L’Engle’s granddaughter Charlotte Jones Voiklis that includes photographs and memorabilia, the author’s Newbery Medal acceptance speech, and other bonus materials."


A WRINKLE IN TIME joins a growing number of modern Newbery winners and Honor Books that have been re-released in anniversary or collectable editions.

Others include:

A 60th annniversary edition of 1948 Newbery Honor MISTY OF CHINCOTEAGUE.

A 60th anniversary edition of 1949 Newbery Honor MY FATHER'S DRAGON.

A 35th anniversary edition of 1968 Newbery winner FROM THE MIXED-UP FILES OF MRS. BASIL E. FRANKWEILER.

A 25th anniversary edition of 1977 Newbery winner ROLL OF THUNDER, HEAR MY CRY.

A 10th anniverary edition of 1999 Newbery winner HOLES.

Do you know of any others?

Volumes that were created to celebrate anniversaries are always nice for the collector's shelves, but they are not necessarily rare or unusual. Issued many years after the original book has already achieved success, they often published in fairly large print runs. What makes these volumes particuarly interesting is that they often contain "bonus material," such as biographical sketches of the author, copies of their Newbery speech, or correspondence between author and editor. Not every "anniversary" edition contains this kind of ephemera though. Also, some anniversary books are issued in different editions; for example, some may offer a limited run of signed, numbered volumes. So if you see a copy of a book offered as a "special anniversary edition," it's always a good idea to check around and see which of these variables apply. Just because the book says "anniversary edition" on its cover does not mean it's worth a lot of extra money. A case in point is the aforementioned anniversary edition of A WRINKLE IN TIME. The 60th anniversary edition can be found at almost any bookstore these days and sells at $24.95. However, there is also a 25th anniversary edition out there. Limited to 500 signed number copies and presented in a slipcase, this 1987 volume sells for approximately $750 these days.


Last month Nancy Pearl wrote an article called "New Year's Resolutions 2012" for Publishers Weekly. In her piece, she suggested some old titles that she wished would be re-printed, wished that libraries and bookstore had larger poetry sections, and even made a plea directed at young-adult fiction: "Although there are some notable teen dystopian novels that I’m very eager to read, the sequels to Veronica Roth’s Insurgent, Marie Lu’s Legend, Ally Condie’s Matched (to name just three), I wish we could give that plot line a rest and move on to other topics for teens."

I was particularly intrigued by one of Ms. Pearl's suggestions:

I wish that everyone who works at a library or bookstore would include in the signature line of their e-mails what they’re currently reading. It takes less than a minute to add it, and it’s a simple and effective way to highlight books both old and new. The staff at both Seattle Public and Cuyahoga County Library System have been encouraged to do exactly that, and it’s a treat to get e-mail from the employees there.

That's a great idea! Maybe we should all try that one.

And even though we're already deep into February -- well past the time for "New Year's Resolutions," I'm still wondering what literary wishes and dreams you might have for 2012.

Here are a few of mine:

* It's wonderful that the children's book world gets world-wide publicity every year when the book awards are announced in January. But why should we settle with one day only? I wish we could come up with an idea that would publicize children's books in a BIG way several times a year.

* Looking at the new books being published over the past year or so, it seems the emphasis is on creating massive bestsellers. Debut authors are receiving six-figure deals, with massive first 200,000 printings, international rights sold all over the world, etc., etc. That's great. But I wonder what ever happened to the good old days of midlist authors who write midlist books. Sometimes those are the books that mean the most to us as kids and are remembered best as adults. I hope that in our rush to lionize the next "big thing," we don't ignore (or stop publishing) those who write books that sell modestly but are still very much loved.

* I already announced plans to keep my ramshackle, sorely-neglected "Printz Picks" blog open all year in anticipation of the 2013 awards. Now I'm deligheted to hear that Karyn Silverman and Sarah Couri plan to make their "Someday My Printz Will Come" blog at School Library Journal an annual affair as well. Now, my wish is that Nina Lindsay and Jonathan Hunt make their SLJ Newbery blog, "Heavy Medal" a year-round enterprise as well. I know it's a lot of work, but keeping us updated on Newbery possibilities all year (hey, maybe once every couple weeks? even once a month?) would keep us all on our toes -- not mention, keep us all reading! -- from now through next January.

* Speaking of School Library Journal, I wish that magazine wasn't so starstruck. Let PEOPLE MAGAZINE or ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY interview Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Regis Philbin's daughter about their children's books. SLJ has a built-in audience composed of real book they should give us interviews of real book authors -- not celebs whose books would probably never have been published if they didn't have famous names.

* I wish that children's books were more visible on TV...and in real-life. Think how much publicity a book would receive if one of the kids from MODERN FAMILY or one of the teens on GLEE was seen reading it on TV. And I bet that if Malia or Sasha Obama was photographed getting off a plane with a children's book in her hand, that title would hit Amazon's bestseller list within hours.

* I wish that people would stop using bookstores as "show rooms." You've heard the same stories I have. These days many customers visit bookstores, get recommendations from the staff, browse through the books, sample a page here or a chapter there, and then bypass the cash register and order the (discounted) books from on their iPad or download the e-book onto their Kindle...sometimes while still standing in the store! Then people wonder why bookstores are closing. I was thinking about this the other day, and remembered something from my youth in the early 1970s. That was the era when "adult" books and magazines were becoming more mainstream and many bookstores didn't know what to do with this material. They couldn't put them on display with all the other magazines; even the covers contained X-rated images. And how to keep curious kids from looking at (not to mention swiping) them? The solution was to have a separate "closed" area for adults only. One local bookstore had a small, walled room in back; another had a separate aisle which could only be entered through a closed gate. However, these stores soon discovered that many customers would spend hours "browsing" but buy nothing. So both instituted a policy: you had to pay $1 or $2 just to go IN the closed area. If you bought a book or magazine from that section, the $1 or $2 was deducted from the price of your purchase. If you didn't buy anything, that was your price for "looking." It recently crossed my mind that, if the trend of bookstores becoming "book show rooms" for Kindle readers continues, the stores may have to institute a "browsing fee" just like they did in those early days of porn: $10 to enter the bookstore, which will be cheerfully deducted from your purchase if you BUY a book. Otherwise, that's the price you pay for using a bookstore as a catalog. I'd hate to see things come to that though....

* I wish every parent would share their favorite childhood book with their child; and then I wish every child would share their favorite book with their parents. Imagine what that would do for children's books. Imagine what that would do for families.

What are your wishes for the children's book world in 2012?

I'd love to hear them!


Finally, I recently asked about your favorite "five hanky" book from childhood and have been fascinated to learn about the books that made you cry as a kid. Some of the titles included MAY I CROSS YOUR GOLDEN RIVER? (I loved that one too), WHERE THE RED FERN GROWS, ECHOES OF A SUMMER (I'd never heard of that one), ELLEN : A SHORT LIFE REMEMBERED, GIRL OF THE LIMBERLOST, JEFFERSON'S SONS, BETWEEN SHADES OF GRAY, OLD YELLER, THE VISITOR (another one new to me), MICHELLE (also new to me), CHARLOTTE'S WEB (maybe every kid's first really, really sad book), DEATH BE NOT PROUD, and THE BOOK THIEF.

Now I have a happy question:

What childhood book made you snicker, laugh, guffaw, or roar with laughter? As an adult, I rarely laugh out loud while reading...which doesn't mean that I don't find many books very funny. But I've noticed I don't have that same extreme physical reaction to humor these days when reading. But I certainly do remember laughing out loud reading about Henry Huggins, Ramona Quimby, and Henry Reed as a kid. And I remember reading FREAKY FRIDAY the first time while taking a bath and literally screaming with laughter -- so much that someone knocked on the bathroom door to see if I was okay.

What kids' books made you laugh? And do you still find them just as funny today?


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